Hi:
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John Clark (2 Nov 2014)
"RE: Marilyn Agee (26 Oct 2014),
"John Clark (19 Oct 2014) RE: BIBLICAL PROOF that there are 1260 days between
the two Raptures ...????"
Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little
horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the
east, and toward the pleasant land.
Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and
it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and
stamped upon them.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his
sanctuary (i.e., Wormwood) was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by
reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it
practised, and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto
that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning
the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the
sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three
hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.”
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute
the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they
shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.”
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall
trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly
to make away many.
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between
the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his
end, and none shall help him.”
Dan 12:1 And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall
Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy
people: and there shall be (i.e., after Mid-Trib) a time of trouble,
such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that
time (i.e., Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered (malat, to escape, leap out,
i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the
book.”
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall
awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the
firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and
ever.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book,
even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be
increased.”
Dan 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two,
the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the
bank of the river.
Dan 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the
waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these
wonders?
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the
waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto
heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a
time, times, and an half (i.e., 3.5 years); and when he shall have
accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be
finished.”
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord,
what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up
and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the
wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise
shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be
taken away, and the abomination (i.e., an idol) that maketh desolate set up
(i.e., MId-Trib), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety
days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand
three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest,
and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
Mat_24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no
flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mar_13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh
should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath
shortened the days.
RE:
Marilyn Agee (26 Oct 2014), "John Clark (19 Oct 2014) RE: BIBLICAL PROOF that
there are 1260 days between the two Raptures
...????
Blessings Marilyn.
I'm a little confused about
your title. I was responding to Mark C's post from October 12, "discovery of
the 1335 days spoken of in Daniel 12 verse 12." I don't believe I mentioned
anything about 1, 2, or three etc. raptures. You apparently have that all
figured out, therefore I have no need to comment. But I would like to clear up
a couple items that you mentioned concerning my post. As I'm sure you realize,
the primary sign of our times is "deception." Therefore, it is extremely
important that we rightly divide the word of truth. (2Ti 2:15 ). Let me give
you a little explanation why I had written a couple of the things that you
commented on.
Your quote: "The days in a Hebrew month do not change
between Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets in any year. The first month that
can change is Cheshvan." You then list either 29 or 30 days for each month and
indicate that "Cheshvan has either 29 or 30 days".
You must be using
the rabbinical calendar based on a man-made 19 year cycle. As I had mentioned
in my response, I had looked at the tentative calendar for 2015 on the Karaite
Korner website. You must not be familiar with their work. Their name
reportedly means, "Followers of Scripture". They are a group of Jewish
believers (not believers in Yeshua), who have been strictly following the
Torah for centuries. Frequently, other members of Doves will post the "New
Moon Sightings," from this group every month, along with their yearly report
on the ripening of the barley which determines the first month of each year.
They are actually following "God's Calendar," as stipulated in the Scriptures.
The beginning of each month is determined by two witnesses observing the first
sliver of light from the new moon. And that sighting can vary by a couple of
days each month. Here's an excerpt from their site:
"The Biblical month
begins with the crescent New Moon, also called First Visible Sliver. The
Hebrew word for month (Hodesh) literally means New Moon and only by extension
the period between one New Moon and the next." .....
"At the end
of the lunar month the moon is close to the sun 1 and eventually reaches the
point of "conjunction" when it passes between the Sun and the Earth.2 As a
result, around the time of conjunction very little of the moon's illuminated
surface faces the Earth and it is not visible through the infinitely brighter
glare of the sun. After the moon moves past the sun it continues towards the
opposite side of the Earth. As it gets farther away from the sun the
percentage of its illuminated surface facing the Earth increases and one
evening shortly after sunset the moon is seen anew after being invisible for
1.5-3.5 days. Because the moon is seen anew after a period of invisibility the
ancients called it a "New Moon" or "Hodesh" (from Hadash meaning "new").
"
http://www.karaite-korner.org/new_moon.shtml
Therefore, there is always a possibility of a two day
variation in the length between two new moon sightings. The Scriptures
routinely require at least two witnesses to establish a fact. If they are
unable to see the moon due to clouds, dust storms or even the smoke of war,
the length of the month may be altered also. Likewise, they must witness the
proper level of ripening of the barley crop at the time of the first sliver of
light of the new moon, before they can declare the start of a new year (first
month). This may end up adding an extra month to the year, and also affects
the other feast days such as Pentecost.
Deu
19:15 'One witness doth not rise against a man for any
iniquity, and for any sin, in any sin which he sinneth; by the mouth of two
witnesses, or by the mouth of three witnesses, is a thing
established.
And the Father has many ways that he can alter His
Calendar.
Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still,
and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their
enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in
the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Mar
13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the
sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Psa
104:19 He
appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.
You are correct in that the
number of days between Pentecost and the feast of trumpets do not change on
the man-made calendar according to "traditions of men." But when you use God's
Calendar, you have to rely upon His leading, humble yourselves and observe in
faith.
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Your quote: "THE WHOLE 2300-DAY
TRIBULATION"
There is only one mention of 2300 in all of Scripture
(including the King James). And that is Daniel 8:14. If it is only mentioned
once, it makes it quite difficult to get "two witnesses"for any type of theory
here. And if you are rightly dividing the word of God, you'll discover that
the word "day" is not in verse 14 of Daniel chapter 8. The word "day," is
found in other parts of the book Daniel, approximately 20 times. But Daniel
8:14 does not state 2300 days. It does state 2300 evenings (`ereb ) and
mornings (boqer ). The word "day" in Hebrew is "Strong's H3117" -
yowm.
Dan 8:14 And he saith unto me, Till
evening -- morning two thousand and three hundred, then is the holy place
declared right.
Now the
first use of the word "day" is found in Genesis 1:5. (The word yowm is
used for both "days.")
Gen 1:5 and God calleth
to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is
an evening, and there is a morning -- day one.
So here you have God calling
both "light," and "evening /morning," as the word day. Now I am not a Hebrew
scholar, and it would be great to have Jovial's input, but I can see that you
can easily argue that Daniel 8:14 could be saying that there are 2300 evenings
and 2300 mornings; or there are only 2300 total things that are known as
evenings and mornings.
So you need to know what are
the evenings/mornings. In the Hebrew it is the "continual. "There are many
things in the Scripture relating to the Temple worship that are called the
continual. But only two of them might be referred to as the evening and
morning. Now the word "sacrifice," is appropriately italicized to indicate
that it is not in the original text. But the two things that were to be
continued both in the evening and morning were the sacrifices on the altars.
The blood sacrifice was on the altar that was not in the sanctuary. Daniel
eight is talking about activity in the sanctuary just like Revelation 11:2.
Therefore, Daniel is speaking about the altar of incense and the sacrifice of
prayer and praise that is performed each evening and morning. There is a lot
of activity at the altar of incense before God the Father in the book of
Revelation also. Daniel 8:14 is talking about 2300 of these offerings, which
would be 1150 consecutive days.
We also need to be consistent. In
Daniel chapter 12:11 – 12, Daniel mentions two other time periods. The
desolating abomination would give out in 1290 days. And blessings will be to
those who have earnestly waited 1335 days. Both of these Scriptures do contain
the Hebrew word for day (yowm). Daniel is being very consistent by accurately
indicating that the time periods are in day increments in chapter 12 (two
witnesses), and leaving out the "day" increment when speaking of the 2300
"sacrifices" at the altar of incense inside the sanctuary.
1Pe
4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at
the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them
that obey not the gospel of God?
2Th
2:11 And for this
cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a
lie:
2Th
2:12 That they all
might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in
unrighteousness.
2Pe
2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of
temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be
punished:
Shalom,
John