Donna Danna (31 May 2015)
"REPLY TO JOVIAL:  Comments About The Timing Of The Book of Revelation"


This is in reply to your 5/24 post at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2015/jovial524-1.htm in which you stated the following:
 
"I heard an interesting theory today.  Someone suggested that Revelation is in sequential order, but simply resets in places.  For example, Revelation 11 talks about the 7th trumpet about to be blown, but never describes it blowing.  It simply announces it ahead of time.  He said Revelation 12 is a PAST event, and the chronology is resetting here."
 
"That's an interesting theory, and an interpretation I find plausible.  Now I know some people think Revelation skips back and forth in timing all over the place, but much of the language suggests it is to be interpreted in sequentual order.  For example, the 7 seals seem to all happen in sequence, not jump around in time.  The 3 Woes are in sequential order and we're told, "One woe is past; behold, there come two woes more hereafter." (Rev 9:12) and the phrase "and after these things" or "after this" is used about 8 times in Revelation."

MY COMMENTS BELOW: 

It is in Rev. 10:7 that the seventh angel begins to sound, but it is in Rev. 11:15 that the seventh angel actually sounded so the person who came up with the theory must have missed reading Rev. 11:15. 
 
As for Revelation 12 being a past event, how can the entire chapter of Rev. 12 be a past event when the woman (Israel) hasn't fled into the wilderness yet for 1,260 days?  Could part of Rev. 12 be past and part of it be future?  It would sort of be like seeing a movie made in the present that John on the island of Patmos is viewing, but at times ( the movie as John's vision) skips back to past events that have already happened and sometimes it skips ahead to scenes in the future that haven't happened yet.  For instance, was Rev. 12:4 fulfilled when Satan used King Herod to kill all the Jewish children age 2 and under so that he could kill Jesus? However, Herod failed in his attempt to kill Jesus. 
 
Rev. 12:4,  "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."
 
Wasn't Rev. 12:5 fulfilled when Jesus ascended into heaven 40 days after rising from the dead?
 
Rev. 12:5, "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."
 
And isn't it also possible that Rev. 12:5 is also futuristic as a symbol of the body of Christ being raptured to heaven just prior to the great tribulation when the woman Israel flees into the wilderness for 1260 days?
 
Rev. 12:6 doesn't sound like it has been fulfilled so it will happen in the future.  Rev. 12:6, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
 
So is Rev. 12:7-17 past or in the future when the great dragon Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven and unto the earth after fighting with Michael and his angels, and then the dragon persecutes the woman (Israel) who brought forth the man child (Jesus).  Well, you have to consider what the third woe might be that follows the second woe.  Rev. 12:12, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."  Since the word "woe" is used in that verse, isn't the devil come down unto you (the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea) having great wrath sound like that is the third woe?  This is followed by Rev. 12:13, "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child."  Some might think that since six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust and by the time World War II ended in 1945, that verse 12:13 might have already been fulfilled, but how could it have been fulfilled if the third woe has to follow the second woe which followed the first woe, and the first woe and the second woe haven't been fulfilled yet either. Also the next verse 12:14 hasn't been fulfilled yet either.
 
Rev. 12:14,  "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."
 
Also in Rev. 12:4 the tail of the dragon "drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born," but it is in Rev. 12:7-17 that both the dragon Satan and his fallen angels are cast out of heaven and down unto the earth after fighting against Michael and his angels and "neither was there place found any more in heaven."  Don't verses 12:4 and 12:7-17 sound like two entirely different events?
 
As for the book of Revelation being in sequential order, it sounds like most of it is.  However, if chapter 13 was in sequential order, then the mark of the beast in chapter 13 would be implemented following the third woe in chapter 12, and the angel preaching the gospel to all that dwell on earth along with the warning from the angel not to take the mark of the beast in chapter 14 would also follow the third woe.  Or does most of chapter 13 and 14 fit between the 5th seal and the opening of the 6th seal found in Chapter 6?
 
Rev. 6:9-11, "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?  And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."