Marilyn Agee (31 May 2012)
"Gerlinda (26 May 2012) "Eliane - the correct Pentecost""

From: Marilyn Agee
 
Hi:
 
> > . Eliane B (25 May 2012)
> > "Correct Pentecost in 2012 falls on July 19th"
 
I think the correct day for Pentecost is May 27, 2012, not July 19, 2012.
 
I went to Creation Calendar.com and found that it refers to THE FENTON TRANSLATION, which I had never heard of in all my 52 years of studying the Bible and trying to find different translations.
 
Of the Fenton translation, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrar_Fenton_Bible) says:

> > At least 10 editions of Fenton's translation were published in his own lifetime. He also continued to add extra notes to these editions up to 1910. An abridged version was published in 1935 under the title The Command of the Ever-Living .. – London : Covenant Publishing Co, and reprinted in 1951.

> > Although Ferrar Fenton's translation never achieved great popularity and fell into obscurity, it remains in print today, now published by the small Destiny Publishers of Merrimac, Massachusetts, from whence it is also available to download as a separate PDF file for each book of the Bible.

> > ...British Israelism

> > Ferrar Fenton was himself a British Israelite and he dedicated his translation to 'all those nations who have sprung from the race of the British Isles'. [8] An explanatory note in the abridged version The Command of the Ever-Living quotes a letter Fenton wrote in 1910 saying how he believed the Cymru (Welsh) language sprung from ancient Hebrew and that the British were descendants from Shem.[9]

> > Some modern branches of British Israelism lean heavily on the Ferrar Fenton translation to support their theories[10].”

Since Fenton was a British Israelite, and thinks that the British are descended from Shem, that’s probably why I haven’t heard of the Fenton translation. I disagree with the British Israelites.

Rev 3:9 says, “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

Below is what I found when I went to  http://creationcalendar.com/CalendarIssue/17-FeastOfWeeks.pdf

> > Leviticus 23:16 Even unto5704 the morrow4480, 4283 after the seventh7637 sabbath7676
shall ye number5608 fifty2572 days;3117 and ye shall offer7126 a new2319 meat offering4503
unto the LORD.3068
> > Look at what Strong’s says about H-5704 “whether of space (even unto) or time (during, while,
until)”. Leviticus 23:16 is about time, not space, so we’ve been applying the word in the wrong
manner all along. The Hebrew actually could be translated: WHILE FROM the morrow (after
the) seventh Sabbath (shall ye) number fifty days (and ye shall) offer a new meat offering (unto)
YHVH.
> > The Fenton Translation is the ONLY translation that seems to be honest with this evidence:
You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath that you bring the Wave-
Sheaf, seven Sabbaths. They must be complete.
Then after the seventh Sabbath, you shall count fifty days, when you shall present a new offering
to the Ever-Living. Leviticus 23:15-16 (emphasis mine)
 
MY REACTION
 
I will take what the KJV says over what Fenton’s Translation says. I went online and checked other English translations. They agree with the KJV. The morrow after the seventh sabbath is the 50th day, Sunday, Pentecost. Pente means 50, not 100.
 
“UNTO THE MORROW AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH SHALL YE NUMBER FIFTY DAYS”
 
Lev 23:15-17 (KJV) says,  “And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16  Even UNTO THE MORROW after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. 17  Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.”
 
“IN ALL, FIFTY DAYS”
 
Lev 23:15,16 (Wycliffe) says, “Therefore ye shall number from the tother day of the sabbath, in which ye offered handfuls of the first fruits, seven full weeks, (And so ye shall count seven full weeks from the day after the sabbath, that is, after the Passover, in which ye offered the sheaves as a special gift,) 16 till to the tother day of (the) filling of the seventh week, that is (in all), fifty days; and so ye shall offer [a] new sacrifice to the Lord, (until the day after the filling of the seventh week, that is in all , fifty days; and then ye shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord,)” 17 You shall bring in from your dwelling places two loaves of bread for a wave offering, made of two-tenths of an [a]ephah; they shall be of a fine flour, baked with leaven as first fruits to the Lord.
 
“COUNT FIFTY DAYS TO THE DAY AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH”
 
“lEV 23:15-17 (NASB) says “You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. 16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord. 17 You shall bring in from your dwelling places two loaves of bread for a wave offering, made of two-tenths of an [a]ephah; they shall be of a fine flour, baked with leaven as first fruits to the Lord.”
 
Agape,
Marilyn Agee
prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com
 
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Dear Eliane, Yes, I now remember reading this piece of evidence before and yes, it does add up. Although disappointed for the wait, July 19th is just fine as long as it is this year. Thank you for re-posting the evidence:

You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath that you bring the Wave-Sheaf, seven Sabbaths. They must be complete. Then after the seventh Sabbath, you shall count fifty days, when you shall present a new offering to the Ever-Living. Leviticus 23:15-16

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Eliane B (25 May 2012)
"Correct Pentecost in 2012 falls on July 19th
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2012/elianeb525.htm
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Eliane B (25 May 2012)
"Correct Pentecost in 2012 falls on July 19th"

Dear Doves,

Below is a text explaining why the correct Shavuot / Pentecost is on the 29th day of the 4th Hebrew month (“Tammuz”).

http://creationcalendar.com/CalendarIssue/17-FeastOfWeeks.pdf

I know many don’t agree with this view and I totally respect that others have a different understanding.

This year (2012), 29th of the 4th Hebrew month falls on July 19th.

Sources:

http://www.creationcalendar.com/

http://www.lunarsabbath.info/

I’ve already written about this subject in past years and I know that many don’t subscribe to this view (which is fine). It’s not my intention to start any thread and I really don’t feel in the mood to debate this anymore. I just want to share this study, be ready and watch (every year, because we don’t know the year) the date I believe is the correct Pentecost and not to be disappointed at all if next Sunday comes and goes with no important prophetic event.

As a matter of fact we should ALL be ready every day and do our best to share the Gospel with the unsaved while there is still time. Spreading the Gospel, loving one another as Christ loved the Church and preparing ourselves with holiness for the blessed hope is the most important thing we can do now.

Whenever Pentecost is….

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with us all!

Eliane B.