Barry Amundsen (2 May 2012)
""THEIR shepherds have caused them to go astray""

One more thing that I just noticed in reading the portion from my earlier post that Frank re-posted I noticed how God worded this section:
 
Jeremiah 50:
6. My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray...
 
Notice who's shepherds have caused God's people to go astray. It is not God's shepherds but the people's shepherds as it says THEIR shepherds have caused them to go astray.
 
Chuck Missler and Gary Stearman (mentioned by Fay as teachers she trusts) both teach that ALL the church will be raptured at once and then the judgment seat of Christ will determine reward or shame etc. But this scripture, I submit, and I believe Frank, you agree with me that this is saying that that is not correct. There will be many of God's people left behind after the rapture and it will be the fault of their own pastors and shepherds who did not teach them the truth of what was required to be ready for the rapture.
 
Psalms 50:
 5.  Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
 
This verse is specific that the gathering is for those who have made a covenant involving a sacrifice and I believe that referrs to both Jesus' sacrifice but also includes our own living sacrifice as per Romans 12:
 
Romans 12
 1.  I beseech you [I beg you, not a light suggestion] therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
 2.  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
Jesus said His sheep hear His voice not pastors' voices. He also said Man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God not the mouths of pastors. This is life eternal that a man knows the one true God and Jesus Christ.
 
But of course, I may just be talking Fantasy Land so not to worry... Missler and Stearman are probably good for you to follow if you want to.