Hey Jimmy,
Thanks for the reminder of my syntax error on
revelation vs revelations. My mistake......
getting older.
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But as for the rest of your response, please
read previous letter to another dove about your
same train of thought........
As you can see, the beast and elders of
Revelation 5: 7-10..... are the one's singing
and they are in possession of harps and
golden vials, which are the prayers
of saints. Verse 9 of the NLT study bible says:
Revelation 5:9.......... And they
sang a new song with these words:
9....."You are worthy to take the
scroll
and break its seals and open it.
For you were slaughtered, and your
blood has ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and
people and nation.
10.... And you have caused them to
become
a kingdom of priests for our God.
And they will reign on the earth."
Where else in the bible does it talk about
people that sang as it were a new song, with the
sound of harps in the background, as these
beasts and 24 elders were singing?
Revelation 14:2........ And I heard a
voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters,
and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard
the voice of harpers with their harps:
3........................... And
they sung as it were a new song before the
throne, and before the four beasts, and
the elders: and no man could
learn that song but the hundred and forty and
four thousand, which were redeemed from the
earth.
Jimmy, we are "ALL" of the harvest! My
understanding of scripture is that there is a
FIRST FRUITS harvest and then there is a regular
harvest. I believe that the 144,000 are the two
witnesses. The bible tells us that they are the
first fruits! The first place that a
resurrection or ASCENSION takes place in
revelation, is at revelation 11:12. The second
place is at revelation 14: 15 & 16. This
would be the church, the wheat harvest.
The point I am trying to convey is that I
believe the bible teaches that the 144,000 go up
before the main harvest and are protected from
the tribulation upheaval. Although, they will be
killed at the end of their 3 and a half year
testimony by the beast. The world will hate
these people vehemently because they are
bringing the TRUTH of the deception that satan
has foisted upon the entire world! My contention
is that PAGAN WORSHIP is at the root of the
matter here! God does not allow the worship of
BAAL! PERIOD! It is clear in the old testament.
The study and prayer about holi-days verses Holy
days, will reveal to the serious searcher this
TRUTH! Jesus gave us a warning that he would be
in the heart of the earth for EXACTLY 72 hours,
EXACTLY! Read my post about the
SABBATH..........
There
was a mistake on the time that I made, it
should have been 6 pm instead of 8 pm. But
the point is the same. If you count 72
hours EXACTLY from Wednesday to Saturday
afternoon when Jesus died, you still come
to Saturday before 6 pm which means he
rose on SATURDAY! Sunday morning he was
already gone and Sunday starts on Saturday
evening at 6 pm. Jesus clearly passed on
the ghost before 6pm Saturday, because
Thursday was a high holyday (Passover) and
the crucified had to be taken down from
the crosses before then. SO! This is proof
that SATURDAY is the day that Jesus Christ
rose from the dead, not Sunday!
These
could be reasons why there is an escape
from tribulation persecution by such a
minor few in the ascension of the 2
witnesses OR the 144,000. Mind you, they
do not escape all things though because
the beast makes war with them and kills
them in Revelation 11:7...........notice I
left off the "s" on revelation? :)
The church as a whole DOES get
(raptured), actually it says the earth was
reaped....Revelation 14:16. But I
do not believe that they are of the first
fruit rapture because the bible does not
say that.
I
could be WRONG about the 144,000 being the
only one's to make the wedding feast, but
if so, please explain their being talked
about in Revelation 21: 10-18! Holy
Jerusalem's physical construction is made
up of these people and the 24 elders which
are represented by the 12 apostles and the
twelve patriarchs that headed the twelve
tribes of Israel.
HOLY
JERUSALEM IS THE bride and the Lambs
wife......... Revelation 21:
9-10. I believe that the TRUE CHURCHES
OF GOD are people that have NOTHING
to do with PAGAN WORSHIP and have come out
of MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, which
mainline Christendom is entangled with by
following after BAAL, by deception of
satan or otherwise, and are not part of
the firstfruit ascension, period!
TRUE
believers in Christ will NOT suffer God's
WRATH!!!!!!! But some will still be tried
by fire because of their wayward ways as
in the days of ancient Israel.
I
Thessalonians 5:9........ For
God hath not appointed us to wrath,
but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus
Christ.
The
harvest of the earth happens before God's
Wrath is poured out in Chapter 16 of
Revelation. Show me where it says that the
church will be spared tribulation and
persecution in the bible! This is a
LIE!!!!
II Thessalonians 1: 4.......So that we ourselves glory in
you in the churches of God for
your patience and faith in all your
persecutions and tribulations that
ye endure: 5......... Which is a
manifest token of the righteous judgment of
God, that ye may be counted worthy of the
kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
....................
Paul, is here, speaking to the
Thessalonians in the churches of God.
You have an apostle (one fold of the sheep)
speaking to the members of the churches of God
(another fold of the sheep). Clearly the churches
of God are expected to suffer!
Jesus
even prays to the Father not to take them
out of the world!
John
17:15..........
I pray not that thou shouldest take them
out of the world, but that thou
shouldest keep them from the evil.
The days
will be cut SHORT though, and at the end,
right before God say's "I have had
enough," and pours out the wrath of God
via the 7 vials in chapter 16, The
harvest's will happen in chapter 14, at
verse 14-16.
Revelation
16: 1..........And I heard a great
voice out of the temple saying to the
seven angels, Go your ways, and pour
out the vials of the wrath of
God upon the earth.
Jimmy,
the church is not in heaven in chapter 5
of Revelation. The elders are the one's
doing the talking and they are
representing the churches members (the
prayers of the saints). The ten thousands
times ten thousand, and thousands of
thousands, of Revelation 5:11,
is
talking about ANGELS not the saints. The
saints are represented by:
Revelation
5: 8.............. golden vials full
of odours, which are the prayers of
saints.
I
believe that revelation 5: 9 & 10 is
talking about both the church and the
144,000. They are all Christians! But to
me, it is obvious that they are not in
heaven yet. The act of GOING UP has in no
way been demonstrated by any action or
commandment until you get to revelation
11: 12.
YBIC
Michael