Hi John and Doves, from one of the many Johns, this one from Australia, ex sheep farmer.
After reading another interesting timeline, which had the seals spread out over the whole 7 years, and then the bowls condensed all in the last 30 days,
I went back to the text to try and figure out the timeline, as I couldn’t figure out where the trumpets went.
I didn't know where this was going to end up when I started, but I had noticed some "link" passages, so was going to try and link it all up.
I also think that the courier who took the parchments from John around to the 7 churches accidentally dropped all the pages and they got mixed up,
and so the sequence is all over the place...
What do we know for sure???
1. The beast is given 42 months authority
2. The Mark happens within this 42 months.
3. The First bowl is against the people with this mark, so the first bowl is after the Mark.
So lets, sketch out a possibility and possible links
_ _ _ 42 Months of the Beasts Reign _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ The Mark of the Beast _ _
The beasts agenda includes the Mark, which is only given to those that "are not written in the lambs book of life"
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging
to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Also Rev 17:8
There is a harvest of Revelation 14, that at first glance, seems to be between the beast and the bowls, but I think that this was one of
the pages that got dropped and mixed up, as with a closer look, this part must be before the mark of the beast, because one of the
angels warns people to not take the mark.
_ _ Harvest_ _
_ _ 144,000 in Rev 14 _
_ _ _ _ 6 Bowls _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
First Bowl is "sores against those with a Mark"
2nd Bowl is "Sea / blood / "every living thing died in the sea"
5th Bowl is "on the beast"
6th Bowl is "spirits out of the mouth of the Dragon and out of the mouth of the beast"
_ _ 7th Bowl - it is done _ _
So - are the trumpets the "same as the bowls"?? Or are they different? Earlier???
They SEEM very similar - 2nd Bowl is Sea/blood / every living thing died in the sea"
The second trumpet is Sea / blood / "a THIRD of living creatures in the sea died" - so MAYBE the trumpets are an "earlier version similar to the bowls, but not as bad"????
Also, a key verse in trying to find a link MAY be that the Beast comes from the bottomless pit, and the bottomless pit is opened at Trumpet 5
Rev 17:8 - The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit (Abyss) and go to destruction.
SO - if the beast comes from the bottomless pit, and the bottomless pit is OPENED at the 5th ttumpet, that would SEEM to mean that the 5th trumpet is before the 42 months
_ _ _ Trumpets 1/2/3/4/5 _ _ _
Also because the two witnesses witness for 1260 days and then are killed by the beast, that would seem to mean that the 1260 days start earlier at least than the beast 42 months
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1260 days of the 2 witnesses _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Lets put what we have so far
_ _ _ 42 Months of the Beasts Reign _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ The Mark of the Beast _ _
_ _ Harvest_ _
_ _ 144,000 in Rev 14 _
_ _ _ _ 6 Bowls _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ Trumpets 1/2/3/4/5 _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1260 days of the 2 witnesses _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
The Seals may span the entire 7 years, and MAYBE the 5th seal matches the early part of the Mark of the beast "wait a little longer"
- - - 5th Seal _ _ _
Likely the first 2 seals come first
_ 1st Seal_ 2nd Seal _
Maybe the earthquake of the 6th seal matches the earthquake in the bowls???
Maybe the Mountain and Island moving of the 6th Seal matches the 7th Bowl Mountains and Islands
_ _ 6th Seal _ _ _ _
Or maybe the transition of the 6th seal and earthquake includes one possible rapture / harvest link????
Another possible link is that the 4th seal includes "kill a fourth of the earth"
And the 6th Trumpet includes "Kill a third of Mankind" so maybe the 6th trumpet matches with the 4th seal.
- - - 4th Seal _ _ _
_ _ _ Trumpets 1/2/3/4/5 _ _ _
Now, a question is "where does Gods Wrath start"????
The 6th Seal and the Bowls 1-6 are definitely Gods wrath, but what about the trumpets???
Another link verse seems to be
Rev 7: 2-3 - Seal the servants of our God, and the 144,000 before the 4 angels harm the earth/sea. (which looks like the trumpets angels)
SO, that would mean
_ Seal the servant _ _
- 144,000 First _ _
_ Great Multitude Rev 7 __
_ Prayers of Saints before 7 trumpets
The 5th Trumpet/angel is told to not harm anyone with the Seal of God on their foreheads.
So maybe the great multitude is before the beasts 42 months, and also the harvest is before the beasts 42 months.
So, what does this all look like laid out together based on the links that have been found?
Maybe I will move the Harvest and Rev 14 144,000 back a bit...
_ _ _ 42 Months of the Beasts Reign _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ The Mark of the Beast _ _
_ _ Harvest_ _
_ _ 144,000 in Rev 14 _
_ _ _ _ 6 Bowls _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ Trumpets 1/2/3/4/5 _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1260 days of the 2 witnesses _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
- - - 5th Seal _ _ _
_ 1st Seal_ 2nd Seal _
_ _ 6th Seal _ _ _ _
_ Seal the servant _ _
- 144,000 First _ _
_ Great Multitude Rev 7 __
_ Prayers of Saints before 7 trumpets
This would likely mean that the 7 trumpets, if the above is really the sequence, are not actually "Gods wrath", but something else….
Part of Gods plan to shake people up before the Mark of the beast seals their fate?
Looking again at "what are the trumpets"?? Wrath or something else?
At the start of the trumpets, it says "all the prayers of the saints... hurled at the earth", and after the 6th trumpet, it said
"the rest of mankind... did not repent"..
So MAYBE, the trumpets are all the prayers of people asking "Please come back Jesus", and "Your kingdom come", and "please save my friends/neighbors",
and "Please bring justice", and the trumpets are the last great shake-up of the world in an attempt to get some to call on God and be saved, before
the mark of the beast dooms them all.
If the 5 trumpets have already happen and scorched a lot of the earth, then how will the beast actually implement the mark of the Beast???
(If it is a technology related thing)
What about revelation 12?
Maybe
_ Male Child.. Caught up _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1260 days women wilderness _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
So Maybe the Male child is the rapture, which matches the great multitude?
Third Seal is either Scales or a Yoke
My old notes that Rev 6 3rd seal points to 2 Kings 7 which points to Isaiah 24
Scales / YOKE
Windows in Heaven links to Isaiah
Maybe windows to heaven links to the rapture?
Lets check this again
First - checking 2 Kings 7 which is about "the end of a famine, and windows in heaven"
2 Kings 6:25
And there was a great famine in Samaria, as they besieged it, until a donkey's head was sold for eighty shekels of silver,
and the fourth part of a kab of dove's dung for five shekels of silver. 26
2 Kings 7
7 But Elisha said, “Hear the word of the Lord: thus says the Lord, Tomorrow about this time a seah[a] of fine flour shall be sold
for a shekel,[b] and two seahs of barley for a shekel, at the gate of Samaria.” 2 Then the captain on whose hand the king leaned
said to the man of God, “If the Lord himself should make windows in heaven, could this thing be?” But he said, “You shall see it
with your own eyes, but you shall not eat of it.”
(Then the Lord wins the battle and the famine breaks)
16 Then the people went out and plundered the camp of the Syrians. So a seah of fine flour was sold for a shekel, and two seahs of
barley for a shekel, according to the word of the Lord. 17
Checking the conversion of 2 Seahs of Barley for a Shekel that signifies "the end of a famine with cheap grain"
1 shekel (Biblical Hebrew) = 2.96 denarius (Biblical Roman)
seah to quart conversion
Amount : 1 seah Biblical (seah) Equals : 6.66 dry quarts measure US (qt)
and two seahs of barley for a shekel
So this converts to 4 Quarts to a denarius
2 Kings - Breaking of the famine = Cheap grain
two seahs of barley for a shekel
(Converted to Four Quarts of Barley for a denarius)
Revelation 6
three quarts of barley for a denarius
So, if in 2 Kings 7, 4 Quarts to a denarius means "the breaking of a famine so barley is now cheap"
Then Revelation 6 saying "three quarts of barley for a denarius" should also be saying the same thing??????
Rev 6:5
ESV
When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a black horse!
And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand.(Or a YOKE) 6 And I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of
the four living creatures, saying, “A quart[a] of wheat for a denarius,[b] and three quarts of barley for a denarius,
and do not harm the oil and wine!”
Now, for all those that want this verse to be a famine, then you can easily wait for the next verse, as the 4th seal has all the bad stuff including a famine!
But if the 3rd seal / 3rd horse is something different, and it is definitely different as it has a "voice in the midst of the four living creatures", which
would most likely be the voice of God himself.
So if instead, this horse is about a "YOKE", and "don't harm the oil and wine" - this could allude to not harming the church, and this could match
with the YOKE of the mark of the beast being put on non-believers, and "to not harm those with the seal of God".
And MAYBE the Barley sentence is to point us to 2 Kings 7
2 Kings 7:7 said to the man of God, “If the Lord himself should make windows in heaven, could this thing be?
Maybe windows in heaven means "the open door of the church of Philadelphia"? ? Maybe this is the "come up here"???
Windows in heaven is also in
Isaiah 24:18 - 20
For the windows of heaven are opened,
and the foundations of the earth tremble.
The earth is utterly broken,
the earth is split apart,
the earth is violently shaken.
20 The earth staggers like a drunken man;
it sways like a hut;
its transgression lies heavy upon it,
and it falls, and will not rise again.
Anyhow, maybe Seal 3 is the rapture , and this is before the trumpets, and before the mark.
A final glance back at the yoke/scales of the 3rd Seal.
Seal three
a horse black
the one sitting on it having a pair of scales
Greek word ZYGON / strongs 2218
zugos: a yoke
Usage: a yoke; hence met: (a Jewish idea) of a heavy burden, comparable to the heavy yokes resting on the bullocks' necks; a balance, pair of scales.
2218 zygós – properly, a yoke; a wooden bar placed over the neck of a pair of animals so they can pull together;
(figuratively) what unites (joins) two people to move (work) together as one.
[2218 (zygós) unites two elements to work as one unit, like when two pans (weights) operate together on a balance-scale –
or a pair of oxen pulling a single plough.]
NASB Translation
pair of scales (1), yoke (5).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
1. a yoke;
a. properly, such as is put on draught-cattle.
b. metaphorically, used of any burden or bondage: as that of slavery,
Demosthenes 322, 12); of troublesome laws imposed on one, especially of the Mosaic law, Acts 15:10; Galatians 5:1;
hence, the name is so transferred to the commands of Christ as to contrast them with the commands of the Pharisees
which were a veritable 'yoke'
2. a balance, pair of scales
as in Isaiah 40:12; Leviticus 19:36;
Isaiah 40:12
Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand
and marked off the heavens with a span,
enclosed the dust of the earth in a measure
and weighed the mountains in scales
and the hills in a balance?
35 “You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measures of length or weight or quantity.
36 You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin:[c] I am the Lord your God,
who brought you out of the land of Egypt. 37 And you shall observe all my statutes and all my rules, and do them: I am the Lord.”
So, the 3rd seal could be yoke/balance/scales.
Maybe it is the "weighing of the people" as such that those chosen then get the "seal of God", and the others go through the trumpets
to get the Mark of the beast and so decide definitively against God.