Gino (30 July 2023)
"RE: Steve C: 07.23.23: rapture picture in 2 Esdras"


Steve,

            That is an exciting passage, which appears to picture something like the catching away:

And they shall see the men who were taken up, who from their birth have not tasted death;

 

You also mentioned:

 

My own carefully-developed conclusion is that this passage is scripture, and all of 2 Esdras could be.  It's consistent with the rest of the Bible, it was quoted by Jesus, and it claims to be the word of God.  The reasons it was removed from the canon are beyond the scope of this post, but if one just reads the book, it's not too hard to figure out why it's been generally suppressed.

 

If I have read things correctly, rabbis had debated whether 2 Esdras should be considered scripture or not.

Apparently, the history of the development of the Hebrew canon, seems to more often consider it, like the books of Maccabees.

Good for them to read, but not inspired scripture.

It did seem to be included in the old Latin Vetus, but Jerome, when he worked on the Vulgate, didn’t consider it part of the canon.

 

Similar to the rabbis, many churches considered the apocryphal books to be good reading, but not inspired scripture.

They were included as an intertestamental section in the King James.

The Cambridge King James had cross references which sometimes were to lines in the apocryphal books.

The Cambridge King James that I have, still has those cross references, but no longer includes the apocrypha between the testaments.

At the Council of Trent, the Catholic church said that some apocryphal books should be considered part of the canon.

But they did not include 2 Esdras as one of them.

I think that some Orthodox churches may consider 2 Esdras as canonical.

 

Also, the quote debate also considers that later copies of 2 Esdras quoted Jesus from Matthew.

Rather than Jesus quoting from 2 Esdras from the time of the captivity.