Cc: to B. Warner, since the two of you are studying togetherRev. 7:14 is the proof text you are looking for. It says, “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”At the FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, MID-TRIB, those saints are already wearing white robes. They are the wise virgins. At the LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, on the Day of God’s Wrath, those saints have had to wash their robes in the blood of Christ.Hi Gary and Bruce;> > JESUS SAYS JERUSALEM WILL BE DESTROYED 'AGAIN BEFORE 'THE RAPTURERev. 4:1 and Rev. 11:12,13, are the two Raptures. Jerusalem is ok at the first Rapture, but a tenth part of the city will fall in an earthquake on the day of the Last Rapture.FIRST RAPTURERev 4:1 says, “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER”.LAST RAPTURERev 11:12,13 says, “And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.”> > Jesus states, in His Olivet Discourse, that Jerusalem will be destroyed AGAIN BEFORE the rapture as recorded in:
> > Luke 21:20-21
> > "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies (Gog-Magog armies), then know that ITS DESOLATION IS NEAR. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
Here is some food for thought.
To me, this passage isn’t talking about the Gog-Magog armies that attack on the Day of the Lord, it is talking about the armies of Titus in 70 AD, because it says that they “shall be led away captive into all nations.”
Luk 21:20-24 says, “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then (tote, at that time) let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”Deu_32:41 says, “If I whet my glittering sword (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood), and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.”Isa_34:8 says, “For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.”2Th_1:8 says, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ”.Jer_46:10 says, “For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword (i.e., the flaming sword, the asteroid Wormwood) shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.”Isa_63:4 says, “For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.” Is that year 5775? I hope so. Things seem to be leading this way. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAST TETRAD, a good time for the First-Trump Rapture.Num 10:1-4 says, “And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes (i.e., elders), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.”Rev 4:1-4 says, “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet (i.e., the first trump) talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first and the last): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn’s ring system) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah’s stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.” John was one of the elders.I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on Thursday, Nisan 13, 5775, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD (Julian). The Last-Trump Rapture could be on the Feast of Trumpets, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015. There will be a Partial Solar Eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets. Every wall will fall when Wormwood hits Earth to put an end to the Gog and Magog War (Eze. 38:18-23) so the surviving Israelites would have to build booths for Tabernacles, the day of the final Blood Moon of the last Tetrad of our days, Mon. Sept. 28, 2015.Friday, March 20, 2015, will be the Spring Equinox and the day of a Total Solar Eclipse. The true Sabbatical Year will begin Saturday, March 21, Nisan 1, 5775. I hope it will be the year of his redeemed.It looks like the Second Advent could be on Sat. Nisan 1, 5776. It will be the first day of the Regnal, Jubilee and Sacred Years. The Jubilee would be announced on the previous Day of Atonement so no seed would be sown.Nisan 1, 5776 will be April 9, 2016, the anniversary of the Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD (Julian). Could there be a better time for the Second Advent?> > Matthew 24:15-16> > "When you see the abomination of DESOLATION (Gog-Magog armies)....stand in the holy place (Jerusalem) then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
Matthew 24 is different. It is talking about the time when the abomination of desolation will stand in the holy place (i.e. on the Temple Mount), ushering in the Great Tribulation, the last half of the Tribulation, that will have to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.
Mat 24:15-22 says, “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (the False Prophet or an idol), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, [i.e., the Temple Mount] (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”THE GREAT TRIBULATION FOLLOWS THE MID-TRIB RAPTUREOf Mid-Trib, Rev_2:22 says, “Behold, I will cast her (i.e., the church of Thyatira) into a bed, and them that commit adultery (i.e., join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds.”Mat_24:20,21 says, “But pray ye that your flight (phuge, fleeing, escape, flight, i.e., the MID-TRIB RAPTURE) be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”Rev 12:6-12 says, “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (i.e., Mid-Trib) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS TO BE SHORTENED OR NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVEDRev_7:14 says, “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”Mat_24:22 says, “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”Mar_13:20 says, “And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.”LUKE 21:25-28 IS TALKING ABOUT OUR DAYSIt says, “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon (i.e., the latter half of the Tetrad, April 4 and Sept. 28, plus Solar Eclipses on March 20 and Sept. 13), and in the stars (i.e., the Sun will enter Aries, which stands for Jesus, the Lamb of God, on March 20, Adar 29); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken (i.e., Satan’s asteroid Wormwood will impact Earth on the Day of God’s Wrath, which is the Day of the Lord).27 And then (tote, at that time) shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory (i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of man in the sky).28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (apolutrosis, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) draweth nigh.”We are already in the middle of the Tetrad. Sunday, March 29, 2015, will be Nisan 9, the anniversary of Palm Sunday. The next Total Lunar Eclipse will be on April 4th. I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture on April 2nd. It will be Thursday, Nisan 13, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD.Sat. Nisan 8, Jesus came to Bethany 6 days before Passover, Nisan 14Sun. Nisan 9, was Palm SundayMon. Nisan 10, Jesus cursed the fig treeTue. Nisan 11, the fig tree was dried upWed. Nisan 12, Jesus was anointed for his burialThu. Nisan 13, the Preparation of the Passover, Jesus was crucifiedFri. Nisan 14, PassoverSat. Nisan 15, Unleavened BreadSun. Nisan 16, Firstfruits, the ResurrectionRev 6:12-17 says, “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake (i.e., Satan’s asteroid Wormwood will impact Babylon); and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”The Tribulation saints will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture (Rev. 7:9-14) just before Wormwood hits Babylon.> > Luke 21:23-> > "For there will be great distress (tribulation) in the land , and wrath upon this people....and Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles (Gog-Magog armies) until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
> > Matthew 24:21-
> > "For there will be great tribulation (distress)..."
> > Luke 21:28
> > "When these things BEGIN to happen, look up and lift up your heads, YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWS NEAR !" (THAT IS OUR SIGN)
I agree.Mat 24:21,22 says, “For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”Luk 21:25-28 says, “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”We have already had two of the Total Lunar Eclipses. I am hoping the Rapture will come while we are in the middle of the Tetrad. The next Total Lunar Eclipse of the Tetrad will be April 4.There are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 is Mid-Trib. The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 is on the Day of God’s Wrath. They just make it out by the skin of their teeth before the asteroid Wormwood hits Babylon. All the saints will actually become immortal the day of the Last-Trump Rapture.
Those caught up in the First-Trump Rapture will be the Bride. Those caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture will be the friends of the Bridegroom. The Lord will wipe away their tears. They will attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
> > Matthew 24:29-31
> > "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS .....He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they will gather together His elect..."
> > The 42 month, or 1,260 day period , after the rapture is NOT THE TRIBULATION, but rather it is Satan's "hour of temptation" according to Revelation 3:10 and Revelation 13:5.
I disagree. It is the GREAT TRIBULATION that has to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.
Mat 24:21,22 says, “For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”Rev 3:10 says, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”The hour of temptation may be when the Great Tribulation saints have to decide whether they will take the Mark of the Beast or not. It will come after the Mid-Trib Rapture.Rev 13:5 says, “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.”Rev_16:2 says, “And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image (eikon, statue, idol).”Rev. 7:14 is the proof text. It says, “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”The First-Trump Rapture is Mid-Trib. Those wise virgins are already wearing white robes. The Last-Trump Rapture is at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, and those saints have had to confess their sins, i.e., wash their robes in the blood of Christ.Here is Rev. 7:14 in context:Rev 7:9-17 says, “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”Rev_19:20 says, “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”Rev 20:4 says, “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image (eikon, statue, i.e., an idol), neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”Agape,Marilyn Ageeprophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com-----------------------------------------------------------
Garry Boggs (25 Jan 2015)
"JESUS SAYS JERUSALEM WILL BE DESTROYED AGAIN BEFORE THE RAPTURE"
JESUS SAYS JERUSALEM WILL BE DESTROYED 'AGAIN BEFORE 'THE RAPTURE
Jesus states, in His Olivet Discourse, that Jerusalem will be destroyed AGAIN BEFORE the rapture as recorded in:
Luke 21:20-21
"When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies (Gog-Magog armies), then know that ITS DESOLATION IS NEAR. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
Matthew 24:15-16
"When you see the abomination of DESOLATION (Gog-Magog armies)....stand in the holy place (Jerusalem) then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
Luke 21:23-
"For there will be great distress (tribulation) in the land , and wrath upon this people....and Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles (Gog-Magog armies) until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
Matthew 24:21-
"For there will be great tribulation (distress)..."
Luke 21:28
"When these things BEGIN to happen, look up and lift up your heads, YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWS NEAR !" (THAT IS OUR SIGN)
So you see, Jerusalem will be destroyed AGAIN by the 'abomination of desolation', who are the Gog-Magog armies, during the great tribulation of Jerusalem just BEFORE the rapture which is the reason for the following Scripture :
Matthew 24:29-31
"IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS .....He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they will gather together His elect..."
The 42 month, or 1,260 day period ,after the rapture is NOT THE TRIBULATION, but rather it is Satan's "hour of temptation" according to Revelation 3:10 and Revelation 13:5.
Garry B.