They presented the
portion in Proverbs 8, that speaks about wisdom, as
actually about the Son in eternity past.
They explained that
Proverbs 8 shows the Son of God, “brought forth” as a
baby God, in eternity past.
They explained that
Proverbs 8 shows that the little Son of God was “brought
up” with the Father, in eternity past.
Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed
me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set
up from everlasting, from the beginning, or
ever the earth was.
24 When there
were no depths, I was brought
forth; when there were no
fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains
were settled, before the hills was I
brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not
made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of
the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the
heavens, I was there: when he set a
compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the
clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the
deep:
29 When he gave to the sea
his decree, that the waters should not pass his
commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the
earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with
him: and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the
habitable part of his earth; and my delights
were with the sons of men.
Although their preaching
was received with much shouting, none of us were
thinking about what was actually said.
The preaching sounded
“cute”, and that sufficed the emotional need of those
listening, but it was not sound doctrine, at all.
The LORD is immutable,
but their preaching presented a total change in the
Godhead, way back in eternity past.
Also, the LORD is called
the everlasting Father:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is
born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall
be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The
everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
For there to be an
everlasting Father, there must needs be an everlasting
Son.
They claim that Proverbs
8:23-25 shows the “beginning of the Son”, or the “birth”
of the Son of God, from the beginning.
However, the scriptures
say:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the
beginning with God.
3 All things were made by
him; and without him was not any thing made that was
made.
The Son has always been
the Son, and the Father has always been the Father.
There was not a time,
when there was only the Father, and not yet the Son.
That is the teaching of
Arius, whom Athanasius refuted from the scriptures, at
the council of Nicea.
Also, the Son didn’t
“begin” in the beginning, actually he is the beginning,
there is nothing else before him:
Revelation 1:8 I am
Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and
which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 21:6 And he said unto
me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the end. I will give unto him
that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life
freely.
Revelation 22:13 I am
Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,
the first and the last.
No, the portion in
Proverbs 8 is speaking about wisdom, as seen in the
first two words of Proverbs 8:12
Proverbs 8:12 I wisdom
dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty
inventions.
There cannot be a simple
blanket equating, like “the Son = wisdom” & “wisdom
= the Son”
For one, wisdom is
presented with female pronouns:
Proverbs 8:1 Doth not wisdom
cry? and understanding put forth her
voice?
2 She
standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the
places of the paths.
3 She
crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the
coming in at the doors.
Proverbs 9:1 Wisdom
hath builded her house, she
hath hewn out her seven pillars:
2 She
hath killed her beasts; she
hath mingled her wine; she
hath also furnished her table.
3 She
hath sent forth her maidens: she
crieth upon the highest places of the city,
4 Whoso is
simple, let him turn in hither: as for
him that wanteth understanding, she
saith to him,
Additionally, if they
claim that wisdom is the Son:
Proverbs 8:12 I wisdom
dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of
witty inventions.
Then who is
prudence? His sister? No such
thing!