Barry Amundsen (29 Aug 2013)
"Acceptable works vs. not"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2013/barrya828-2.htm
 
From Howard Pittman:
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In Luke 14 beginning with verse 26 it is stated, “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and HIS OWN life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
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This statement from Howard Pittman's article "Placebo" which I previously posted about (see above link) is from the part where he says God was explaining to him why his works were not acceptable. I have been a Christian my whole life and have lived through my own struggle with the question of where does knowledge of the gospel vs. obedience to it to the fullest begin and end... In other words I knew about Jesus dying for my sins and I accepted Him and his gift of eternal life all the way back to my earliest childcare in the nursery at church days and flannel board lessons in Sunday School with Jesus going searching for the one sheep that went astray while leaving the ninety and nine etc.
 
As I grew older I found an amazing number of sermons and Bible studies were delivered to us Christians who had also accepted this but with the intent that we really ought to give God first place in our lives etc, etc. but nobody really blamed you too much if you didn't; shhhhh, just go along and do like everyone else and put on a brave face and everything will be fine. Like the Emperor's New Clothes, we were all naked but pretending we were fine. Secretly, we all had our normal secular lives and pursuits as well as our church lives just in various degrees, some being more into church than others but no big deal. It was sort of considered an elective to actually die to yourself and give God that ultimate first place in your life (become a "Disciple") certainly not a requirement to be a Christian, private first class or whatever and be "saved" in the general sense.
 
To use Howard Pittman's own example, anyone who knew him would have testified on his behalf that he was a strong Christian with many wonderful works and that God would be very happy with him. Yet the opposite was true because he had never died to himself and sought first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. Therefore his works were for himself not for God and unacceptable even though he was saved.  
 
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2013/th825-2.htm This post by TH gives good examples of what proper good works look like, such as tests of faith that you pass.
 
The works of the five foolish virgins may look just like works of the five wise until the Bridegroom arrives. God knows the heart. The foolish man builds his house on sand and it may look beautiful until the storm comes. This foolish man is not an atheist but rather one who hears Jesus' words but just does not do them. Whoever hears my words and doeth them is wise and builds on the rock. Whoever hears my words and doeth them not builds his house on sand. Paul said our works will be tried with fire and that the DAY will declare of what sort our works are: gold, silver, precious stones, or wood, hay, stubble. But which DAY is Paul speaking about that will try our works? What if it is the RAPTURE DAY?
 
Could this be why Jesus says of those who were unable to finish building their tower that all who behold it will begin to mock? Could Jesus be saying that this is when the rapture happens and whoever was trying to be a Christian on their own terms, building their works up to heaven but not submitting their lives and trust to Jesus will be discovered and be left here to face the mockers because these works burn up or like the house on sand it falls flat and how great is the fall of it?
 
Paul says this person himself shall still be saved, yet so as by fire. Perhaps the fires of the tribulation? In a strange twist of irony what if the fire that tries our works is linked to the LACK of fire in the lamps of the foolish virgins that go out? Maybe the fire that gives us light is the fire that should be burning away the false parts of us? Leaving only His word of truth, a lamp to our feet? I know the oil is of the Holy Spirit but to burn, we must agree to follow. As many as are led of the Holy Spirit, they are the sons of God. Paul, speaking to US CHRISTIANS says, "Let no man deceive himself..." in verse 18, and in verse 19 Paul speaks of the wisdom of this world being foolishness and vain, verse 20, and is saying for us not to follow it, (Psalm 1) because again, this is directed at us Christians:
 
1 Corinthians 3:
 
 9.  For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
 10.  According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
 11.  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
 12.  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
 13.  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
 14.  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
 15.  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
 16.  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
 17.  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
 18.  Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
 19.  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
 20.  And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
 21.  Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
 22.  Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
 23.  And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
 
It appears that what many have been saying is true that at our first belief we do become saved but then it is up to us how we build on that foundation and our works will be tried and just maybe this could determine our place in the rapture or not. Now, some like Chuck Missler say that regardless of our works we all get raptured at once and then comes the judgment of our works. My reason for questioning this position about this is partly in Jesus' messages to the seven churches in Revelation. He has different things to say to each church and in no way treats them all as one complete group. Only the Philadelphia church is promised to be kept from the great tribulation in my opinion because they have kept the word of His endurance and not denied His name. Maybe by not submitting ones life to Jesus but trusting in something else instead is a form of denying His name and not keeping the word of His patience, (endurance).
 
We'll soon see.