Re:
Chance – (23
Apr 2023) Ted Porter
"EAR and Daniel's 70th Week”
Ted Porter
"EAR and Daniel's 70th Week...." (fivedoves.com)
In response
to:
EAR and Daniel’s
70th Week – Response to Chance
Yes – John
has blessed us with many years of
a forum where we can exchange letters. As you put so
well:
I really
enjoy reading 'letters' - where
people add their own thoughts, opinions, studies,
research, personal stories,
comments on news articles, etc.. Takes
it to a personal level - this is how I see 'letters' to
friends. People
kindly expressing themselves to
others.
Regarding
your comments / questions which I
will put in italics as shown below and put my responses
in bold so it doesn’t
get too confusing. 😊
I do have a
couple of comments -
Such as,
how did the Gentiles end up in
Jacob's Trouble? - I have believed that Jacob's Trouble
is the Tribulation
Period and it's for the holy people - to come back to
G-d.
Chance –
Interesting points.
I hadn’t thought of calling all 21 years of
Jacob’s Trouble as the Tribulation Period. Or that
tribulation would only come to the ‘holy people’ and not
the ‘lawless
people’ in a two-tiered system of justice. However, I can
see this two-tiered system of justice already happening
as
we speak in the United States since at least the
beginning of 2009.
The ‘lawless people’ are not punished for
their many crimes and the ‘holy people’ are punished for
what are not crimes by
the ‘lawless people’.
For we
wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against
the rulers of the darkness
of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high
places.
Ephesians 6:12
When you
said “for the holy people – to come
back to G-d” I immediately thought of how Jesus Christ
instructed His disciples
not to go to the Gentiles or any city of the Samaritans
but to the lost tribes
of Israel (Matthew 10:6).
Then Jesus
sent out His 12 disciples, 11 of which were from the
tribe of Benjamin.
Which I suppose shouldn’t be too surprising
seeing Jerusalem was in the area of land allotted to the
tribe of Benjamin.
So, maybe
God is again only addressing His
lost sheep from the tribes of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We just don’t
know it since they are still
lost. Or at
least a lot of people
consider them still lost.
But then I
think others are included because
of the parables of the feasts and who was invited and
then going out in the
streets and bringing in people. We have Jesus
saying in Matthew 15:24, “But he answered and said, I
am not sent but unto
the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. But she
responded with asking for help and Jesus Christ
responding that
it is not right to take the children’s bread and cast it
to dogs. To
which she responded that yet the dogs eat
of the crumbs which fall from their masters table.”
What I was
trying to say in all this is that
I don’t know whether these 21 years of trouble are
limited to the ‘holy people’
if we were to use this term for the lost sheep of Israel
and not as a generic
term including Gentile Christians.
“And
they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of
the Lord: and thou shalt be called, Sought out,
A city not forsaken.” Isaiah 62:12
In regard
to ‘Jacob’s Trouble’, the Bible outlines
a period of 21 years.
The tribe of Judah
today describes these as periods of 21 years. There were
actually two tribulation periods of 21 years experienced
by
Jacob including his time of mourning for Joseph.
One could
argue the first ‘Jacob’s Trouble’
period is 20 years as it was 7 years for Leah, 7 years
for Rachel, and only 6
years for the land (sheep) before he left. Although Jacob
definitely had trouble the following year when went to
meet his brother so I’d say 21. Plus, it
parallels the 21 days, a day for a year, of tribulation
the one with the face like
lightning and voice of a multitude that fought against
the prince of the
kingdom of Persia 21 days.
In those
days I Daniel was mourning three
full weeks. Daniel
10:2
Now, the
second part that it’s for the ‘holy
people’. Yes,
the United States had been
considered a Christian country. It also
has also had more people from the tribe of Judah than
the ‘nation’ of Israel at
over 6 million people.
So, when we say ‘holy
people’ can we say we are talking about the tribe of
Judah which many are atheists? Or completed
Jews and Christians from all the
tribes of Israel and the rest of the world who have been
grafted in by coming
to a saving faith in Jesus Christ? Not
sure if these are the ones you are referring to as the
‘holy people’ and at the
same time talking about needing to come back to God.
“And he
said unto him, Why callest thou
me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but
if thou wilt enter into
life, keep the commandments.” Matthew 19:17
And you
wrote we've been in this time period
for 21 years. How
long is this to go
on? You
wrote, "We appear to be in
the 21 year period of time known as Jacob's Troubles."
These 21
years I see could have started Jan
20, 2009 with the US presidential inauguration. Or they could
have started October 29, 2008 with what Ron Reese had
identified at the time as the 30 minutes of silence in
Heaven mentioned in
Revelation when the start of the last game of the World
Series was preempted
for 30 minutes with an infomercial about a Prince of
Peace who could save the
world if the American people voted for him in 6 days. He was
nominated for the Nobel Peace prize in
2008 before ever taking office and received the Nobel
Peace prize in 2009.
Reversing
this, a day equaling 1,000 years,
half an hour would equals 21 years. Just
as Natan’s visit to Heaven he could not stay beyond 3
hours which the accompanying
Rabbi translated into 120 years on Earth, the length of
a lifetime. Although
I’m thinking a case could also be
made for 125 years.
But I may be giving
you more than you can assimilate at one time where I may
have lost you. Prayerfully
not. 😊
“But, beloved, be
not ignorant of this one
thing, that one day is with the
Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” II Peter 3:8
And you've
written about the importance of
42 - 2015 is long past - so is 42 still important?
I think 42
is important in prophecy for many
reasons. 42
months will be
important. 42
months are important for
past prophecies.
42 years as 1 hour in heaven is important
for
another prophecy with the length of the reign of the
seven heads of the beast,
etc. 42
years is equivalent to 6 weeks
of years.
I will default to Jesus'
comment when He stopped and
wept before his "triumphal" entry - and His ministry was
3.5 or 1260
days long - that's not by chance - that is where the 70th
week is split in
half. imo.
Nothing is
by chance with God.
Providence is everything. Jesus Christ’s
ministry was 3.5 years long
while antichrist appears will be given 6 times that
amount, (6 being the number
of satan and his influence), which also brings
antichrist’s reign to 21 years. I don’t think
anyone at this point is thinking
biden is calling the shots.
It has been
noted there were 3.5 years of
warning in the fall of 66 AD which was heeded mainly by
the Benjamites when Jerusalem
was surrounded by the Roman armies to destroy it as
fortold in scripture.
Then the Romans stopped till 70 AD because
Nero had committed suicide and Vespasian needed to get
back to Rome.
Personally
I think all of the 70th week must be after
the millennium or otherwise the tribe of Judah and the
city
of Jerusalem’s time on Earth would run out before the
millennium.
It looks
like EAR believes Daniel’s 62 weeks
or 434 years, Daniel’s 7 weeks or 49 years, and Daniel’s 1 week
or 7 years are one continuous block
of time of 70 weeks or 490 years with no gaps which
ended with the stoning of
Steven. Chance,
from your last email I
believe you are leaning towards there being only 69 ½
weeks or 486 ½ years as
one continuous block of time with 3 ½ years left to be
fulfilled.
I would
argue the 1 week period of time overlayed
in Daniels 70 week prophecy is primarily where Jesus
Christ confirms the existing
covenant with many once and for all with His death and
resurrection for all
time for the many of Eve’s seed from the beginning of
Eve’s seed according to
God’ providence. It
was not a 7 year
covenant between God and man but a 7,000 year covenant
between God and man.
But the
real Eureka moment for me was when I
realized the belief I had been taught with every
interpretation of Daniel’s 70
weeks I had then read that Jesus became Messiah, became
Christ, became THE
ANOINTED either with His anointing at His water baptism,
or His anointing at His
Holy Spirit baptism immediately afterwards, or when His
feet were anointed with
spikenard before His triumphal entry, or when His head
was anointed with
spikenard before His death, or when he was symbolically
anointed by the crowds
during His triumphal entry (Sir Robert Anderson), went
against the Bible.
I thought I
must know more than most
Christians who hadn’t studied Daniels 70 weeks and were
still mired in the
belief Jesus became Christ, became Messiah, at
conception. However,
I had failed to recognize the special
relationship created in space and time at the instant
when one part of the
Godhead became the FATHER and another became the SON at
Jesus Christ’s
conception. I
had been deceived.
All so many choices and everyone of them leading
to the wrong conclusion. Jesus
Christ
became Christ, became Messiah, became THE ANOINTED when
the seed of woman was
anointed by the power of the Holy Spirit with the Word
of God at conception.
Otherwise, these scriptures could not be
true.
“
“Now
the
birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When
as his mother Mary
was espoused to Joseph, before they came together,
she was found with child of
the Holy Ghost.” Matthew 1:18
“For
unto
you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour,
which is Christ the Lord.” Luke 2:11
“And
the
Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we
beheld his glory, the glory as
of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
truth.”
John
1:14
“Who is a
liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist,
that denieth the Father and the Son.” I John
2:22
Shalom,
Ted Porter