Chapter XII                 

 

Dave continued, “Last night I was looking at alternate numbering methods for letters of the Luo / Swahili language.  Guess what?  I found one that can give us a double witness to 666.  It also uniquely identifies the lawless one.  I just used his biological father’s name and added “Jr.” to the end.”

 

“Jr?” asked Stuart.  “I’ve seen him referred to that way.  However, to be honest, I’ve seen the alleged birth certificate and it has two capital I’s.  The II is of course Roman numerals for the number two.  I wonder why he did II instead of Jr?”

 

Evelyn said, “Maybe because he doesn’t consider himself junior to no one.  And maybe the double I is like a double “me”.  Look at me!”   

 

Virginia said, “Or maybe he was just hoping to name his own son III.”

 

“Good points,” said Obadiah.  “I was thinking it was because of his background being Roman.  That way he has it in his name.  His father was a British subject and his mother’s heritage is also from the old Roman empire.”

 

“Well you know,” continued Dave, “There were originally only six roman letters that translated into numbers.  The letter M for thousand was added later.  The original letters were just D, C, L, X, V, and I.  And guess what those 6 numbers sum to?”

 

“666,” said Chuck.

 

“Of course,” said Dave.  “The letter D is 500, C is 100, L is 50, X is 10, V is 5, and I is 1.  Of course the letter V could serve as a vowel, which in English is our U.  Now regarding using roman numerals with the lawless one, I couldn’t find much with his normal name.  However, if you use the Jewish techniques of a Atbash and Achbi you get some interesting numbers.  Atbash is just substituting the last letter of the alphabet for the first, the second to last for the first, and so on.  Achbi is breaking the alphabet in half, in this case, thirteen letters apiece, and doing the same thing.  Well, when you do this and use Roman numbering, you get 66 for Atbash and 216 for Achbi.”

 

“Interesting,” said Chuck.

 

“Here, I’ll show you.” Said Dave.

 

With that, Dave brought up his spreadsheet on his laptop and showed the group:

 

	Atbash	Achbi	Roman Atbash	Roman Achbi
Total / Text	BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II	BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II	66	216
1	Y	L	0	50
2	Z	M	0	0
3	I	V	1	5
4	Z	M	0	0
5	X	K	10	0
6	P	C	0	100
7			0	0
8	S	F	0	0
9	F	S	0	0
10	H	U	0	5
11	H	U	0	5
12	V	I	5	1
13	R	E	0	0
14	M	Z	0	0
15			0	0
16	L	Y	50	0
17	Y	L	0	50
18	Z	M	0	0
19	N	A	0	0
20	Z	M	0	0
21			0	0
22	R	E	0	0
23	R	E	0	0

 

They all looked intently at the screen.

 

Obadiah whispered, “Wow, 66, the number for idol worship and 216, the product of 6 times 6 times 6.  Although I noticed you don’t need the II.”

 

Evelyn said, “Pretty neat, but I’d also like to see how Jr. makes his regular name into 666!”

 

Dave said, “Okay.  That was back using the Luo and Swahili alphabet.  Let me find that tab in my spreadsheet.  Here it is.  And let me explain it.  If you start with the lower case a=1 and count by one through the end of the alphabet, and then continue with the upper case A = 25 and count by one through the end of the alphabet, you have the numbering pattern.  Then by using just the upper case letters we have the following:

 

	a=1, b=2, z=24, A=25, B=26, Z=48
Text	BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR
Gematria	666
1	26
2	25
3	41
4	25
5	27
6	35
7	0
8	32
9	44
10	42
11	42
12	29
13	33
14	38
15	0
16	39
17	26
18	25
19	37
20	25
21	0
22	34
23	41

 

“Pretty convincing if you ask me,” said Chuck.

 

“What more can you say,” said Obadiah.

 

“I didn’t realize that his name equaled 666 not just once, but twice,” said Evelyn.

 

“Actually,” said Dave, “His name equals 666 quite a lot more than twice.  It’s just that it’s not his full unique name.  I knew that if you took just his first name, the one translated in the Bible as “lightning”, and assigned A=1 through Z = 26 you come up to the number 36.  One can then translate this number into the equivalent triangle number and the result is 666.  The triangle number, of course, is the same as adding together all the digits from 1 up to 36, you know, 1+2+3, well you get the idea.  Or it is the simple formula of adding the number to the square of the number and dividing the whole result by 2.  Sounds more complicated than it is.”

 

Stuart said, “If you say so.”

 

Dave continued.  “However, there are simpler methods for his first name as well.  If the Bible just uses his first name to identify him when it says, “I saw satan fall as lightning from the sky”, I suppose I shouldn’t discount using just his first name.  There is the famous example on You Tube where you start with A = 6 and count by 6’s you end up with 216.  But that’s not exactly 666.  Using the Luo / Swahili language there are three different ways to come up with 666, counting by 6, 12, or 18.  Here they are.”

 

Dave showed them his laptop.

 

Start	82	53	24
Count by	6	12	18
	a=82 B=88	a=53 B=65	a=24 B=42
Text	BARACK	BARACK	BARACK
Gematria	666	666	666
Min to Hours	11.1	11.1	11.1
Min Time	11:06	11:06	11:06
Clockwise Degrees	306	306	306
Counterclockwise Degrees	54	54	54
1	88	65	42
2	82	53	24
3	178	245	312
4	82	53	24
5	94	77	60
6	142	173	204

 

Dave continued, “But using the English language numbering there is an amazing 22 different ways to have his first name come out to be 666.  I’ve seen where Kevin Heckle on Five Doves has brought up that there are 22 different ways.  And I’m sure you all remember the Five Doves Latter Day Letters page.  How God ordained there to be 22 letters, the epistles, as part of the Gospel, exactly one third of the total 66 books.  And God ordained there to be 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet that make up all the words.  That’s all it takes, 22 letters.  Well, there are exactly 22 different ways to make 666.  The first one you start counting at A=1, then count by, you guessed it, 22 as in B = 23, C = 45, and so on.  Here, let me pull them up.”

 

Start	1	6	11	16	21	26	31	36
Count by	22	21	20	19	18	17	16	15
	A=1 B=23	A=6 B=27	A=11 B=31	A=16 B=35	A=21 B=39	A=26 B=43	A=31 B=47	A=36 B=51
Text	BARACK	BARACK	BARACK	BARACK	BARACK	BARACK	BARACK	BARACK
Gematria	666	666	666	666	666	666	666	666
1	23	27	31	35	39	43	47	51
2	1	6	11	16	21	26	31	36
3	375	363	351	339	327	315	303	291
4	1	6	11	16	21	26	31	36
5	45	48	51	54	57	60	63	66
6	221	216	211	206	201	196	191	186

 

 

Start		41		46		51		56		61		66		71		76
Count by		14		13		12		11		10		9		8		7
		A=41 B=55		A=46 B=59		A=51 B=63		A=56 B=67		A=61 B=71		A=66 B=75		A=71 B=79		A=76 B=83
Text		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK
Gematria		666		666		666		666		666		666		666		666
1		55		59		63		67		71		75		79		83
2		41		46		51		56		61		66		71		76
3		279		267		255		243		231		219		207		195
4		41		46		51		56		61		66		71		76
5		69		72		75		78		81		84		87		90
6		181		176		171		166		161		156		151		146
	Start		81		86		91		96		101		106
	Count by		6		5		4		3		2		1
			A=81 B=87		A=86 B=91		A=91 B=95		A=96 B=99		A=101 B=103		A=106 B=107
	Text		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK		BARACK
	Gematria		666		666		666		666		666		666
	1		87		91		95		99		103		107
	2		81		86		91		96		101		106
	3		183		171		159		147		135		123
	4		81		86		91		96		101		106
	5		93		96		99		102		105		108
	6		141		136		131		126		121		116

 

Obadiah said, “That is amazing!  Did everyone notice the difference between where you start counting?  The first one is 1, the next one is 6, the next one is 11.  See, they are all 5 apart.  Get it?  Five, like in Five Doves?” 

 

Chuck said, “I learned something.  Very good!”

 

Virginia said, “Well, what is left now?”

 

“Yea, I think we’ve exhausted that topic,” said Evelyn.

 

Stuart began to speak, “I was thinking about that verse where it talks about no flesh surviving except time being shortened, or something like that.”

 

“I know the one you are talking about,” said Chuck.  With that Chuck opened his Bible, flipped through some pages and started reading. 

 

And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.  Mark 13:20

 

Of course, a few verses back we have,” continued Chuck.

 

But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:  Mark 13:14

 

Chuck said, “So this is a continuation of our discussion from yesterday regarding one fulfillment of these verses in the early days of the Church.  Why did some flesh survive in 70 AD?  Because there were Christians who heeded the words of Jesus and fled Judea into the mountains.  They saw Jerusalem surrounded by the Roman army in 68 AD, and then they had the chance to flee when the army marched back to Rome without finishing their job of destroying Jerusalem.”

 

Dave said, “I know.  It’s because the days of Nero were shortened.  He killed himself in 68 AD.  When word of this came to the Roman army they high tailed it back to Rome.  I believe Nero was only like 30 years old.”

 

Chuck exclaimed, “That’s exactly right, he was only 30 years old when his life came abruptly to an end when he committed suicide rather than face death following what amounted to a military coup.  He had only been emperor for 13 years.  As most people recall, Nero is very infamous, you could say, for his persecution of the early Christians.  In fact, he is often associated as being an antichrist with the number 666.”

 

“Okay,” said Stuart.  “That was in the past.”

 

“True,” said Chuck.  “But we look at the past to help us understand the future.  History could repeat itself.  We don’t need to look now for anything more than a person’s time on earth being shortened.  It doesn’t have to mean that the space time continuum is causing space to dilate and time to collapse slowly in upon itself.”

 

Virginia grinned and said, “But that sounds so much more interesting.”

 

Obadiah said, “I was thinking, since this part of the prophecy already has one fulfillment in the past, it doesn’t have to be fulfilled in the future at all.”

 

Dave said, “Could be, but I was thinking about apostasy repeating itself.  Here we have the Catholic, I mean Roman Universal Church with its many apostate teachings.  And then the Protestant revolution comes along and discards many, but not all of these apostate teachings.  The Protestants then go on to show how various prophetic scriptures in the Bible make the Roman Universal Church, the bad guy so to speak.  So the Roman Church comes up with their own two versions of prophecy without them as the bad guys.  One of those versions is in the past leading up to 70 AD which they called preterism and one is completely in the future they called futurism.  Guess what, as long as you have two competing views you can get everyone to chose sides if you can drown out the Protestant view.  And guess what, they have.  The Protestants have now basically adopted the same apostate views, either preterism or futurism.  You could say that they themselves have become apostate.”

 

“I couldn’t agree more,” said Chuck.  “My people perish for lack of knowledge, to quote Hosea, well actually Jesus.  And another thing that is so lacking in most churches today is teaching on what happens between the millennial reign of Christ and the destruction of Heaven and Earth.”

 

“I know about that,” said Virginia.  “That’s when satan will be unchained for a little while.”

 

“Very good,” said Chuck.  “Let me read it.”

 

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.  Revelation 20:3

 

Chuck continued, “How long do you think the little season is?”

 

“Is this a trick question?” said Obadiah.  “I thought this was seven prophetic years, the seventieth week of Daniel.  The first 62 and 7 weeks of Daniel end with the first coming of the Messiah.  And then history repeats itself because we have two comings of the Messiah.  We also have 62 and 7 weeks ending with the second coming of the Messiah.  That leaves the last week to be right after the millennium.  Daniel tells us exactly how these 70 weeks are broken up.”

 

“Exactly,” said Dave.

 

“I never thought about it before,” said Stuart, “Honestly!”

 

“Well then,” continued Chuck, “Of course I agree with you Obadiah.  But going on.  What do you think happens during this little season?”

 

Dave said, “The Bible tells us what happens so we don’t have to speculate.  Although there are tons of people that like to speculate on any given subject in the Bible.  Take for example the identity of the two witnesses.”

 

“Don’t get me started,” said Chuck.  “But let me just read for everyone exactly what happens during the little season.”

 

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.  Revelation 20:7-10

 

“Yeah,” said Stanley, “the beloved city.  That’s Jerusalem, right?”

 

“That’s Jerusalem,” said Chuck.  “The city of peace.  Which as we know the 70 week prophecy is about these two things, the saints and Jerusalem, from the time of Daniel till the end of time.  Except instead of using the words saints and beloved city as in Revelation, Daniel has his people and the holy city.  Remember Jesus is saying it and grouping these two things in both Revelation and Daniel.  Jesus just gives us these clues all over the place.  And I just love reading the verse in Daniel.  Here it is.”

 

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.  Daniel 9:24

 

“See it,” continued Chuck, “We have “thy people and upon thy holy city” so neatly grouped together.  And to make sure there is no misunderstanding that these seventy weeks extends till time ceases to exist after the millennium and after the little season, this verse says “to make an end of sins” and “to bring in everlasting righteousness”.  Have sins ended now?  Do we have everlasting righteousness?  Couldn’t be much clearer to me.  But do you hear preachers preaching this?”

 

“Is that a rhetorical question?” asked Obadiah.  “We just read that the thousand year reign of Christ in no way brings in everlasting righteousness.  I mean, how can it with satan loose after it?”

 

Chuck said, “And how can the seventy weeks be over for God’s people and God’s city when He is still dealing with them?  I mean, both still exist.  And as long as God is still protecting both, we know the seventy weeks aren’t over.  In fact, the Bible even explicitly declares that God will be protecting both after the millennium.  Here, let me find it in my Bible.”

 

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.  Revelation 20:7-9 

 

“Boy, when satan is loose after the millennium,” said Stuart, “Even though God wins, there is going to be one heck of a lot of tribulation.”

 

“But not THE tribulation,” joined in Evelyn.

 

“What do you mean by THE tribulation,” said Stuart.

 

“You know, the final seven years,” said Evelyn.

 

“I don’t know about THE tribulation, being the final seven year,” said Chuck.  “I haven’t been able to find in the Bible where it “qualifies” tribulation by calling some of it THE tribulation.  I haven’t even been able to find anywhere in the Bible where it tells us any tribulation period is going to last seven years, let alone the final seven years.  And it certainly doesn’t limit tribulations in a general sense to seven years.  But the final seven years, that’s something concrete, that’s something we can define, that’s something we can believe in.” 

 

“What’s that?” asked Evelyn.

 

“The final seven years!” said Chuck.  “Although, even that is ambiguous.  Are we talking about the final seven years before Jesus Christ comes down to reign for a thousand years, the 69^th week of Daniel?  Or are we talking about the final seven years before this universe, you know, the first and second heaven, our four dimensions, matter, space and time as we know it, cease to exist when they are destroyed?”

 

“I was talking about the first one,” said Evelyn.

 

“Great,” said Chuck.  “We know the 69 weeks are broken up into 62 and 7 weeks.  And we know exactly when the last 7 weeks started.  That was June 7, 1967.  Jerusalem was no longer trodden under foot by the Gentiles.  That would mean we can start counting the final seven years as soon as 6 weeks or 42 prophetic years have passed.  That count started on October 29, 2008 and ends on September 23, 2015.  So this is the final seven years as in final before the millennium, but not final in terms of the end of time.” 

 

 

© 2/12/2010 – Ted Porter